Any Teabagger Apologists Out There?

From HuffPo:

Abusive, derogatory and even racist behavior directed at House Democrats by Tea Party protesters on Saturday left several lawmakers in shock.

Preceding the president’s speech to a gathering of House Democrats, thousands of protesters descended around the Capitol to protest the passage of health care reform. The gathering quickly turned into abusive heckling, as members of Congress passing through Longworth House office building were subjected to epithets and even mild physical abuse.

A staffer for Rep. James Clyburn (D-S.C.) told reporters that Rep. Emanuel Cleaver (D-Mo.) had been spat on by a protestor. Rep. John Lewis (D-Ga.), a hero of the civil rights movement, was called a ‘ni–er.’ And Rep. Barney Frank (D-Mass.) was called a “faggot,” as protestors shouted at him with deliberately lisp-y screams. Frank, approached in the halls after the president’s speech, shrugged off the incident.

But Clyburn was downright incredulous, saying he had not witnessed such treatment since he was leading civil rights protests in South Carolina in the 1960s.

“It was absolutely shocking to me,” Clyburn said, in response to a question from the Huffington Post. “Last Monday, this past Monday, I stayed home to meet on the campus of Claflin University where fifty years ago as of last Monday… I led the first demonstrations in South Carolina, the sit ins… And quite frankly I heard some things today I have not heard since that day. I heard people saying things that I have not heard since March 15, 1960 when I was marching to try and get off the back of the bus.”

“It doesn’t make me nervous as all,” the congressman said, when asked how the mob-like atmosphere made him feel. “In fact, as I said to one heckler, I am the hardest person in the world to intimidate, so they better go somewhere else.”

Anyone want to tell me how this shit is “patriotic,” “brave,” or “free-thinking?”

Still want to tell me how the TEA movement is fundamentally a grass roots movement of intellectuals frustrated about Constitutional affronts?

Anyone?

‘Cause it looks to me like a bunch of homophobes/racists/bigots afraid of losing their majority ‘might makes right’ control. And if you AREN’T a homophobic racist bigot, you might want to rethink your bunkmates.

Just sayin’.

Not Buying It.

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25 Comments

  1. cheffer57 said,

    March 20, 2010 at 7:42 pm

    Republican Ideas Included in the Healthcare Reform bill, and yet not a single yes vote
    March 20, 2010 by cheffer57
    Republican Ideas Included in the President’s Proposal, and yet not a single YES Vote.
    Pending who you listen to and when you’re listening it’s a 50 / 50 split on this whole healthcare Bill. For what seems like years (but really only 2 months) I have been posting the question. I do hope this is the last time I ask.

    Why can’t the American People (that’s us) have the same Healthcare coverage as our Elected Officials Have?

    I have received answers like:

    “it’s to expensive” “what about the deficit?”

    “That’s’ socialism” WHAT? “Suck it up and pay for your own”…….

    ”Why should we pay for yours, who is paying for me?”

    “You voted for him didn’t you?”

    So let me reply to some of the response, To expensive, as compared to what is to expensive, an ongoing war? From http://www.ourfuture.org

    Iraq War Costs
    The Facts
    The cost of Iraq in lives lost and scarred is incalculable. It has also had staggering economic costs here at home.

    So far, the federal government has authorized $656 billion for the Iraq war. Of that total, $152 billion was appropriated to fund the Iraq war during the current fiscal year. [Congressional Research Service] That amounts to more than $12 billion per month and $416 million per day. These figures include neither operations in Afghanistan nor anti-terrorism programs elsewhere around the world nor the costs of caring for the wounded or replenishing our arsenals. Iraq war costs do include $34 billion spent for construction projects in Iraq, training and equipping Iraqi soldiers and police officers, contracts with and grants to Iraqi organizations and businesses, and funds used to prop up Iraqi government operations.

    With $656 billion—the direct cost of the war in Iraq since 2003—we could have:

    » Brought to “good condition” all of America’s deteriorating public structures—bridges and roads, airports and railroads, schools and parks, water and sewer systems; [American Society of Civil Engineers] or
    » Paid for a college education for every high school graduate over the next decade; [U.S. Department of Education] or
    » Eliminated hunger worldwide. [Reuters]
    With $152 billion—one year of funding for the war in Iraq—we could have:

    » Provided high-quality health insurance coverage for the 47 million men, women, and children who are uninsured; [Economic Policy Institute, New York Times] or
    » Paid the cost of Social Security benefits for three years; [Social Security Administration] or
    » Invested 300 times more money than is currently allocated to research and develop renewable energy technology. [Center for American Progress]
    With $12 billion—one month of funding for the war in Iraq—we could have:

    » Covered the 4 million children who were denied health insurance coverage when President Bush vetoed SCHIP funding; [Center on Budget and Policy Priorities] or
    » Tripled the budget for cancer research at the National Cancer Institute; or
    » Carried out all 9/11 Commission recommendations. [New York Times]
    With $416 million—one day of funding for the war in Iraq—we could have:

    » Secured our homes with 160 new police officers in every state; [Bureau of Labor Statistics] or
    » Helped more than 100,000 students afford college with Pell Grants of $4,000 apiece; [U.S. Department of Education] or
    » Lowered class sizes in public schools by hiring 8,300 new teachers. [Bureau of Labor Statistics]
    » The long-term costs of the war will exceed $3 trillion. Economic expert Linda Bilmes and Nobel Prize-winner Joseph Stiglitz estimate the direct long-term costs of the Iraq war at over $3 trillion. [Washington Post] That includes the cost of caring for wounded veterans, repairing and replacing worn-out military weapons and equipment, and paying interest on the national debt caused by the war. This staggering sum could have: Paid off 1/3 of the national debt; or
    » Paid not only for our transition to energy independence, but also provided our nation with the most modern and efficient transport, communications and waters systems in the world, while creating literally millions of jobs here at home.
    Then there’s the Deficit. From the Washington Post:

    CBO: Health-care reform bill cuts deficit by $1.3 trillion over 20 years, covers 95%

    Washington has spent the past week or so waiting for the Congressional Budget Office to release its preliminary estimate of the Senate bill with the reconciliation fixes. Not only are those numbers important for the debate, but Democratic leaders refuse to release the actual text of their changes until CBO releases the specifics of its analysis.

    According to a Democratic source, CBO has finished its work and will release the official preliminary score later today. But here are the basic numbers: The bill will cost $940 billion over the first 10 years and reduce the deficit by $130 billion during that period. In the second 10 years — so, 2020 to 2029 — it will reduce the deficit by $1.2 trillion. The legislation will cover 32 million Americans, or 95 percent of the legal population.

    To put this in context, that’s more deficit reduction than either the House or Senate bill, and more coverage than the Senate bill.

    How they got these numbers, and whether there are important qualifiers, will be easier to say once CBO releases its analysis. But the bottom line is that this is the exact sort of score that Democrats wanted, and is in fact considerably better than some had come to expect they would receive. Coverage is better than the Senate bill, which will reassure liberals, and deficit reduction is better than either bill, which will reassure conservatives.

    Then there is the socialism aspect: much too much to copy and paste so just Click here comrade and enjoy. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socialized_medicine

    I’m going to skip the “suck it up” one as well as the “why pay for yours”

    The one that boggles me is “You voted for him” Him being I President Obama Yes I did and I would do it again, No matter what Sean and Sarah say. Wink Wink.

    This leads me to this Yahoo post , http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20100318204950AAzimIh

    No I don’t think anybody who questions his policies are racists, however just a few years ago I was told that I’m not an American if I question the idea of invading Iraq. So I ask myself why aren’t any Republicans voting for the passing of this Healthcare Bill. The Republicans and Americans, They live in this country too, they need healthcare, their families need healthcare., surely not everyone in their district is opposed to it. I mean there has to be one person in Ohio that wants this bill to pass.

    So then I figure maybe they are upset that Obama didn’t include any of those great Republican ideas, but wait, there are some Republican ideas in the bill, so they are note voting for their own ideas? Here are those ideas that ARE IN THE BILL. From Google.com

    Review a few of the Republican initiatives included in legislation passed by Congress:

    » Includes personal responsibility incentives: Allows health insurance premium to vary based on participation in proven employer wellness programs
    » (Sources: H.R. 3468, “Promoting Health and Preventing Chronic Disease through Prevention and Wellness Programs for Employees, Communities, and Individuals Act” (Castle bill); H.R. 4038, “Common Sense Health Care Reform & Accountability Act” (Republican Substitute bill); H.R. 3400, “Empowering Patients First Act” (Republican Study Committee bill); H.R. 3970, “Medical Rights & Reform Act” (Kirk bill), “Coverage, Prevention and Reform Act”)
    » Advances medical liability reform through grants to States: Provides grants to States to jump-start and evaluate promising medical liability reform ideas to put patient safety first, prevent medical errors, and reduce liability premiums.
    » (Sources: S. 1783, “Ten Steps to Transform Health Care in America Act” (Enzi bill); H.R. 3400, “Empowering Patients First Act” (Republican Study Committee bill); H.R. 4529, “Roadmap for America’s Future Act” (Ryan bill); S. 1099, “Patients’ Choice Act” (Burr-Coburn, Ryan-Nunes bill))
    » Extends dependent coverage to age 26: Gives young adults new options.
    » (Sources: H.R. 4038, “Common Sense Health Care Reform & Accountability Act” (Republican Substitute bill); H.R. 3970, “Medical Rights & Reform Act” (Kirk bill))
    » Allows automatic enrollment by employers in health insurance: Allows employee to opt-out.
    » (Sources: House Republican Substitute; H.R. 3400, “Empowering Patients First Act” (Republican Study Committee bill); “Coverage, Prevention, and Reform Act” )
    » Mechanisms to improve quality.
    » (Sources: H.R. 4529, “Roadmap for America’s Future Act;” S. 1099, “Patients’ Choice Act;” H.R. 3400, Republican Study Group bill; S. 1783, “Ten Steps to Transform Health Care in America Act” (Enzi bill))
    In addition to the Republican ideas already included in the legislation that’s passed the House and the Senate, the President’s Proposal incorporates a number of additional proposals that were included in Republican plans that focus on combating waste, fraud and abuse in government.

    So there it is…………………………………………..

  2. Susan Hessel said,

    March 20, 2010 at 7:53 pm

    I’ve never been so frightened for our country. The atmosphere of hate is beyond the pale.

  3. March 20, 2010 at 11:15 pm

    I just don’t understand why other people getting health care is so OMG effing scary/infuriating.

  4. Susan Hessel said,

    March 21, 2010 at 9:43 am

    I also wrote about the tea party’s actions, along with Rush Limbaugh and Glen Beck on my blog today. Its so appalling.

    I can’t get over it.

  5. Dr. Monkey said,

    March 21, 2010 at 10:33 am

    New teabaggers motto: “America, hate others in it or leave it.”

  6. Andrew C said,

    March 21, 2010 at 3:09 pm

    You call them “teabaggers”, and complain about namecalling?

    It’s a diverse, nationwide movement – of course there are some hateful, bigoted people who are members. The few nuts don’t represent the whole movement.

  7. southern female lawyer said,

    March 21, 2010 at 6:45 pm

    Nice try, Andrew. They chose the moniker; I’m just running with it. And really? You want to compare that to racial epithets? Move over, Aquinas!

    As I have said before, these people are representative of the TEA movement, like it or not. They are the ones out there seeking publicity and getting it. If they aren’t essential to your movement, then distance yourself from them and quit relying on them to expand your numbers.

    The TEA movement accepts, encourages, and depends upon the involvement of the bigots; don’t be coy and falsely outraged when you get called on it.

  8. mike w. said,

    March 21, 2010 at 10:19 pm

    I guess it’s much easier for you to dismiss those you disagree with by labeling them all racists.

    That seems to be a standard tactic for the left.

  9. southern female lawyer said,

    March 22, 2010 at 8:59 am

    Mike – seriously. Read before you post. It’s embarrassing.

  10. Andrew C said,

    March 22, 2010 at 10:27 am

    SFL, I have never heard a single person in the Tea Party movement refer to themselves as a Teabagger. While it is a much weaker derogatory term than “fag” or “nigger”, the intent is the same – to show disrespect toward the other person.

    That’s the thing about the Tea Party movement – it is primarily grassroots. There is no central authority to say “These people count as members, these people don’t.” I am perfectly willing to distance myself from the bigots, and believe the majority of people at the Tea Party Protests wish the bigots were gone from the movement. That’s the thing about grassroots movements though – sometimes people you don’t like show up anyway.

    As a clarification, I am not part of the Tea Party movement. The protests are much too focused on the issues with the current administration, and not enough on the deeper issues in our current hyper-partisan system. I just feel your dismissal of the Tea Party movement as “a bunch of homophobes/racists/bigots,” is substantially mischaracterizing the movement.

  11. southern female lawyer said,

    March 22, 2010 at 11:03 am

    Andrew – I won’t quibble about the origins of the term. While I freely admit that I use the word ‘teabagger’ as a sign of disrespect, I would argue that it is not at all the same as using the n word or calling someone a fag. I call someone a teabagger just as I would call someone a jackass – in other words, I am mocking them for their actions. Calling someone a fag is mocking them for who they are – something VERY different. I am not required to respect the actions or words of every single person. However, I have not advocated to take anything away from TEAfolk.

    If you’ve read any other things on my blog, you will note that I am just as liking to refer to TEA people as, well TEA people. I tend only to use teabagger when discussing specific incidents of nastiness. Again, much like I would use the term jackass. Part of my outrage is that a very fine political viewpoint (Libertarianism) has allowed itself to be tainted by the bigots and, yes, the Republican Machine ™.

    I have never said that ALL TEAfolk are homophobes/racists/bigots. I have said repeatedly that there is a serious problem with these issues among people that identify themselves as TEApeople. And I have asked repeatedly why people think that this is not a problem.

    You can *say* you want to distance yourself from the crazies, but the crazies are out there taking up airtime and defining the movement for you. Makes it difficult to take the true Libertarian seriously when he/she is surrounded by a bunch of nuts waving asinine signs about muslims, birth certificates, etc.

    As for the fundamental substance of the TEA movement, I think the problem is exactly what you have said – that there is no central authority. So what we have is a heterogenous group of subgroups, each of which thinks *they* define the movement.

    The problem is that regardless of what these individual subgroups think, by banding together and accepting if not encouraging the involvement of the bigots and the Republican Machine ™, they have subjected their individual definition to, well, whatever the perception of “The TEA Party Movement” has become.

    In other words, the TEA movement has been corrupted and have effectively allowed themselves to be mischaracterized. And yeah, I am pretty pissed that the Libertarians have allowed themselves to be covered with it. And depressed that the grass-roots beginning got eaten up by the Republican Machine. And yes, I am fully aware that there are still some true grass-roots segments out there. IMO, they should disengage and either go back to being Libertarians or more clearly define themselves.

    Thank you, Andrew, for your thoughtful comments. FWIW, I probably would have jumped on the first TEA train, had it not seemed so clear to me that it was about to take a detour to Crazy Town. And a lot of my mockery and sarcasm is borne out of disappointment and a sad belief that we cannot get out of our status quo because our ‘enemy’ is too powerful.

    I loathe the two-party race to the bottom. I hate that we are constantly told what to think by those with all the money and power. It infuriates me that we cannot just look objectively at the issues and decide what is best for We the People without PharmaCoalLegalFinance, Inc. controlling access and dissemination to the information AND controlling how the people WE elect vote on these issues.

    If I had MY way, there would be NO lobbying at all. NONE. All campaigns would be funded by the same nominal public funds. All radio/tv/interwebs would be require to devote X amount of time to each candidate. Any person or Co. that wants to engage in “political speech” must clearly identify who/what they are. No PACs. Two terms only for Senate; two only for House. All committees formed by lottery.

    Complete and total government in the sunshine, by and for the People.

  12. Andrew C said,

    March 22, 2010 at 12:30 pm

    SFL, Interesting point. I think for me, the difference is that with ‘teabagger’ and ‘fag’, the insult is based on the group, whereas ‘jackass’ is solely about the individual. Given the historic use of the words ‘fag’ and ‘nigger’, they are much more offensive than ‘teabagger’, but your use of the term in the context of your post tripped my irony meter. 🙂

    I think much of the apparent bigotry is a result of the media – not the Tea Party movement itself. The one person shouting ‘nigger’ gets the focus, not the hundreds chanting “kill the bill!”

    My biggest concern with the Tea Parties is the things they AREN’T getting worked up about! The movement is depressingly focused on Democrats – bad, Republicans – good. If it were a pure ideological libertarian movement, the renewal of the PATRIOT Act this year would have drawn some of their attention!

    I would love to see the party system scrapped. I wish our government would at least pretend politics can exist outside the two-party system. As it is, almost every voting ballot in the country lists the party affiliation of the candidates. It also seems like so many of our politicians are more concerned about scoring points for their team instead of doing what’s best for the country.

    Personally, I’d like to see a government-funded runoff system for federal offices. If in-depth, detailed, accurate information on all candidates is available in one location, it may undercut some of the sway that controversial commentators have on the political process. Maybe make a TV show too, American Idol style. By working from a very wide pool of candidates to a much smaller pool of final candidates, we can still weed out the nuts and focus on strong candidates while reducing the influence of external funding. Of course, the odds of anything like this being implemented are slim to none, but I can dream!

    Limits on lobbying worry me, largely based on where you draw the line between talking to your representatives and “lobbying”. If I call my congressman and tell him how I want him to vote on a bill, it isn’t lobbying. What if I fly myself to DC and talk to him and some other congresscritters in person? What if a friend helps pay for my plane ticket? Or a group of friends? Or a group of people who agree with me on the idea, and they pay for my food too – or help compensate me for the time I’m spending away from my job?

    Anything that even mildly restricts political speech makes me feel nervous. Every additional law on the books provides the government with another technicality to shut down unpopular opinions. I see some need for restrictions on broadcast TV where limited spectrum is available, but don’t like any restrictions on political speech through Internet, print or radio.

    One hopeful sign about the Tea Party movement is the participants are paying attention to politics! That’s the first step to getting them to think about politics – and then institute substantial reforms to the system.

  13. southern female lawyer said,

    March 22, 2010 at 1:48 pm

    Well, the crazies are ALWAYS the easiest and sexiest target, no matter what group they are a part of. Unfortunately, it is also the reason that discourse is damn near impossible. Labels and generalizations keep us from having to see our opponents as individual people; thus it is much easier to ignore their arguments. I have always said that as soon as you see your opponent as a person, only then can you actually *hear* what they are saying.

    Because no matter what theoreticals we throw around, at the end of the day, our opinions are necessarily empirical. And it is a lot easier to see where someone is coming from when you see that person. Kind of like how my folks totally thought being gay was a choice and WRONG and BAD because God said so, until they actually *knew* and *loved* someone who turned out to be gay. Sure changed their opinions on gay marriage pretty quickly.

    And I am proud of my parents for being able to make that change. I just wish that everyone had the ability to *imagine* what it would be like be gay/have a gay child/etc, rather than have to *experience* what it is like before they changed their minds.

    Anyhow, it isn’t a door that only conservatives go through, though. Liberals stereotype to shut down an argument, as well. It was a lot easier for me to keep from descending into snark and nastiness when I lived in a more liberal area; since moving down here, it has been a struggle. Which is why I started this blog.

    So, really, in daily life I am a lot nicer. And on the interwebs, I am far more likely to vent first and discuss later. Not the greatest approach, but I sometimes just get so tired with getting nowhere with people in real life that I just go into attack mode here.

    I think you are totally right about one of the positive side effects of the TEA movement being that it has gotten people politically interested. My mom actually references the Constitution now! And can name every one of her elected officials. While her love of Palin horrifies me – just as my love of Feingold and Weiner horrifies her – I am very proud of her for getting involved. Though she will have to visit the grandkids in France if she gets Palin elected.

    And I see your point on limitations. My own opinion, however, is that the 1st Am rights are ad personam and attach ONLY to individuals. Corps aren’t people in that sense. And I think there is a solid argument to be made that when $$$ can buy one “more” 1st Am rights than another, then the right becomes less meaningful to us all. Capitalism has a place, just not in the 1st Am. So if we can just level the playing field in some way…

    Maybe have cable access channels dedicated entirely to political speech – non-commercial and either FCFS or lottery. Kind of like a ‘letters to the editor’ kind of thing. I would TOTALLY watch that.

    At any rate, thank you for engaging with me on this discussion; I appreciate your thoughts and insight. And will try to refrain from collectively referring to teafolk as teabaggers, though I cannot keep from using the word on an individual basis. I have wrangled with this before – notably in my conversation with my parents, who are TEA folk.

  14. Peter said,

    March 24, 2010 at 1:12 pm

    Hi, SFL.

    Long time, no comment. I have quickly scanned the posting and the comments (busy day). I’m going to leave the page up and will read more carefully later.

    It took several tries, but I’ve gotten a good oatmeal cookie recipe, so good in fact that I’m tasked with making a fresh batch every week, and my lovely bride glares at me if I presume to eat one!

    Onto your posting: I’ve watched several videos that were made at the time. Funny thing is that when one consults the video record, there aren’t any such smears and insults. It’s one thing to sarcastically point out misspellings and syntactical blunders, but accusing people of doing sh*t that they didn’t actually do just weakens your point of view. It’s the same as when the Righteous Righties ™ point to some loony stuff from the Left and use that to smear the vast majority of serious and concerned people such as yourself.

    Secondly, the ‘teabagger’ was and is an assigned smear. I don’t understand how you could credibly claim that the tea partiers ‘chose’ the moniker.

    I apologize if you’ve already covered this. As I said (typed), I only had the time to scan this (and now I’m late for my next thing!), and I’ll read everything with more care later this evening.

    Hope you’re doing well.

  15. southern female lawyer said,

    March 24, 2010 at 1:32 pm

    Hey Peter! Glad you found a good cookie. I just made a huge batch yesterday and I can’t keep the little ones out of them. I used a little bit of grated orange rind for extra yum.

    Read through the comments, esp the back and forth between me and Andrew C to get an idea of what the discussion is, esp my ongoing issues with teabaggers v. TEA people.

    Basically, the question is how does the TEA movement deal with the publicity received by some of its less savory members and, considering the heterogeneity of the movement, how do they deal with the very real charge that bigots are drawn to this movement. And I think there are some very serious problems with this – primarily, that it is alienating a LOT of people who might otherwise agree with some of the TEA ideas and damages credibility.

    I am not claiming that all TEA folk are racists or bigots, but there very clearly are some in the group. And I don’t know what things are like where you are, but this is based on my own very real personal observations, and not just random trolling of liberal websites.

    Seems to me like it is a serious problem, and the answer to it isn’t to deny or claim that it is ‘just a couple of bad apples.’ That sort of response only leads to further “uncovering” of the problem. Seems to me like the legit libertarians, etc need to actively distance themselves from that sort of crazy if they want to be taken seriously.

    As for me, I’ve been better, but I am sure all will be well eventually. But thanks for asking. – sfl

  16. southern female lawyer said,

    March 25, 2010 at 11:53 am

    Oh and Peter – I forgot to tell you before – I recently switched from using light brown sugar to dark brown sugar in my oatmeal cookie recipe. It makes ALL the difference in the world! You could probably get the same result by adding a little molasses.

  17. Peter said,

    March 25, 2010 at 6:55 pm

    In no particular order:

    I started off using some organic dark sugar from Whole Foods, which turned out to be too much for my wife’s palate. I’m now using regular ‘ol Publix dark brown sugar (which at times is visually indistinguishable from the light stuff; go figure.), which seems to have made the difference. I needed to add a bit more flour to keep them from flattening out.

    I would ask how any movement/political party polices its’ membership. I would certainly never hold you responsible in any way shape or form for ELF/ALF or any other lefty fringe group, even though your politics are far more likely to agree with them than mine do.

    I think one of the underlying problems is that we’ve spent the last forty or so years yammering about Rights without equally stressing responsibility. If some dickwad calls a Black man/woman a ‘nigger’, then that bit of bipedal slime needs to own up to it. But *only* if that happens: the whole Hitler/fascist/nazi thing has been completely rendered meaningless by overuse; and the knee-jerk assertions of racism is rapidly following. And that really would be a tragedy. I’m 52, soon to be 53, and the difference today between race relations when I was a kid and now is really something. CSNY’s “Teach Your Children” seems to have been taken to heart, but obviously there’s still more to be done. Anyway, I spent far too long playing and replaying the YouTube videos, and I couldn’t hear anyone using a racial smear. Not only that, but the man who got spit on him is willing to assume that it was fervor rather than hatred that caused that part, which proves that he’s a better Christian than I’ll probably ever be.

    I guess that’s it for now. Since I’m not allowed to eat any oatmeal cookies, I suppose I’ll turn out a nice pound cake.

  18. southern female lawyer said,

    March 25, 2010 at 7:44 pm

    WHAT? You aren’t allowed to eat the cookies? Well..actually, I end up saving my share for the kids, so I kind of get that, I suppose. To keep mine puffy, I use a 3 to 1 ratio of br sugar to white sugar and all butter. You can sub shortening for butter, which will make them fluffier, but I think you sacrifice in taste.

    As for ELF/ALF, while I might care about some of the same things that those folk do, I am not a member of those groups, specifically because I don’t agree with their methods. Maybe back in the day when I was all hopped up on E Abbey… But anyhow, that is kind of my point.

    One of my pet peeves is when people use the term ‘nazi’ to describe a person/thing/belief that is simply strongly held – e.g. feminazi, soup nazi, etc. Nazis are nazis – unless someone actually IS a nazi, don’t call them a nazi. It waters down the word and I don’t like it. Ditto fascist, ditto Hitler.

    I just made some blondies – with milk choc chips. Guess what I’m having for dinner?!?

  19. mike w. said,

    March 26, 2010 at 11:45 am

    Mike – seriously. Read before you post. It’s embarrassing.

    You should be embarrassed by your post.

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    Karatage has no direct effect on the color of a given piece.


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